Nassau Legislature Votes to Merge Police Precincts

The measure passed Monday, 10-9 with legislators voting along party lines.

Dubbed by some as "the most important vote in the history of the Nassau County Legislature," the plan to merge eight police precincts into four was approved Monday afternoon.

The vote to realign the precincts was expectedly passed by a 10-9 final tally, with each legislator voting along party lines.

Prior to the vote, Minority Leader Kevan Abrahams grilled newly appointed Commisioner Thomas Dale on the plan, saying that the legislature shouldn't be voting on something that is constantly "in flux."

The nine Democratic members of the legislature focused their argument against the realignment on the concept that it simply wasn't ready. Abrahams attempted to table the vote on the precinct plan until more details were made available, but the motion was voted down by the legislature and, eventually, the realignment was approved.

"I commend the county legislature for approving this public safety plan that adds more police officers to our community and protects residents from a property tax hike," Nassau County Executive Ed Mangano said in a statement. "... This is a win-win for residents as it results in more safety and not more taxes."

The Nassau County Police Benevolent Association, like Abrahams, cited numerous problems with Mangano's plan to merge precincts.

Last week, it was announced that the county had postponed its vote on the merger after "progressive" discussions with law enforcement unions over the weekend.

PBA President Jim Carver said Monday that the PBA and county had made "a lot of strides" in the last week while negotiating. He continued by saying that the legislature should take at least another week to think the decision through and give both sides more time to negotiate.

"In my opinion, this was not ready to be voted on," Carver said. "... They were not listening to anybody's argument, they just wanted to vote 'yes' to close the precincts -- that's it."

After the vote, Carver told Patch that he will continue to work with Mangano and his administration on fixing some of the perceived errors in the county executive's plan.

James M. March 06, 2012 at 04:03 PM
Actually voting them all out is the right thing to do. And make sure more than one candidate applies within your party and pick the one not pushed by the party. That is your independent candidate. Sadly Nassau votes on two things A) Party Affiliation B) the Name they know.
James M. March 06, 2012 at 04:07 PM
I definitely think teacher salaries in Nassau need to be reduced by 40% for those over $150K and 25% for those over $100K and a cap on the maximum the a teacher can make to 25% above median salaries in Nassau.
James M. March 06, 2012 at 04:09 PM
That shouldn't be an issue because they did not reduce the force just the precincts.
James M. March 06, 2012 at 04:14 PM
Maybe this is an underhanded push for places like Manhasset and the other affluent areas to continue to get their own police force and therefore one day eliminate the need for an NCPD and push law enforcement to the town and village level.
Moe March 06, 2012 at 04:17 PM
Scott, thank you for your post, like you said 'where we can save money without compromising services is a win for us all'. Unfortunately, I believe this plan will definitely effect service. The 3rd precinct is the busiest in the county, the residents of the 3rd precinct will benefit from this plan because they will now have available to them the services of the 6th precinct. But what is good for the 3rd is bad for the residents of the 6th precinct, if there is not a call to be responded to in the 6th those cops will be sent to cover calls in the 3rd precinct, mostly in the New Cassel, Westbury, Uniondale areas. Now if a call does come out in the 6th the nearest responding officer may be coming from as far as Hempstead Tpke. These are the things that aren't put out there when a plan like this is proposed. They also wanted to make you think that there are tons of officers working administrative jobs in every precinct. The fact is there are 2 administrative cops in each precinct and yes they will be hitting the streets. The other 'administrative' cops they are referring to are the ones that work the front desk in the station house. There are 3 of those posts manned 24/7. The plan calls for that to go down to 2 post being manned 24/7 in the precincts that are 'closing'. Not as many boots hitting the ground as they would have you believe. Unfortunately 'smoke and mirrors' is politics as usual and this plan should not be politically driven but it is.
Chris Albanese March 06, 2012 at 04:48 PM
Don't forget Rock Hall. We'd have soccer practice at Lawrence Middle School and all the parents would look over and see the squad cars pulling up 3, sometimes 4 at a time. They'd get out, talk to one another for about 30-45 minutes and all leave together. The parents would joke, "that's our taxes at work" and go back to watching our kids play. Who's more at fault, the civil servants for not giving us our money's worth or the taxpayers for laughing it off and not demanding more? This is the reality that we live in and I for one am glad that someone has said enough. There's no more money, the party has to end. Now if we can just get the jokers in Washington to realize the same thing, this country may still be saved.
Candygram for Mongo March 06, 2012 at 06:09 PM
bob young March 06, 2012 at 06:24 PM
Jon l how is pointing out that the need to "research" things to the point of obsession and asking them to do their job contradicting my ealrier comment on knee jerk reaction. the need to do research was an excuse to maintaiin the status qou. at what point is the need to "research satisified?
Lorenzo Gabudra March 06, 2012 at 07:19 PM
I've never seen such "action" on a topic. I'm glad people are finally getting MAD and having a voice. The gloves are off and Civil Servants are on notice that they won't be on the Government Tit as they know it. They are Social Vampires who have sucked us dry. Thanks Ed Mangano.!!!
RoBuSt! March 06, 2012 at 10:20 PM
Many good points moe!
MTR March 06, 2012 at 10:29 PM
RoBuSt! March 06, 2012 at 10:35 PM
Now let's get rid of the gas guzzling suv that are used for patrol!
bestoftwo March 06, 2012 at 11:22 PM
LOL very little driving going on is the funny thing. Today SUV, two sedans at the old KMART Officemax complex. Then to Stop and Shop and hide behind the building there. Why isn't there GPS in the cars, would become apparent that partrol isn't happening much
Nassau Taxpayer March 06, 2012 at 11:36 PM
Excellent idea -- GPS the patrol cars. If Bloomberg can get the streets plowed better by GPS-locating trucks in realtime, so can NCPD ensure coverage is on the move and not mired at Dunkin Donuts.
Helen March 07, 2012 at 12:46 AM
Great points, Moe. There is some level of level headed thinking going on here and that's great. Great suggestion with the vacation picks....and we're back to the crossing guards..... Others here have brought up valid points and suggestions, let's keep that going and stop all the immature nonsensical postings. My apologies, as I am not scrolling back and forth here, but to whomever said that police are there at the ready - is correct. That is why the response time is (was?) quick. Police presence is key in preventing crime. Now, I am afraid we may be facing some dark days ahead. Who knows for sure? I know that if I needed police at my home I wouldn't want to wait a second longer than necessary - not waiting for a car to have to 'travel' to my home. In my neighborhood I see both police cars patrolling and sitting idle in parking lots. Should the argument be that the cops should be driving their entire tour, no matter what, thus wasting gas and putting unnecessary mileage on their cars? See, we can all twist every story around to suit our needs....
paul March 07, 2012 at 12:58 AM
I am not an attorney, but is there the possibility of a lawsuit as to whether or not the public was bamboozled. And whether or not the vote was proper..... I think it may be possible for an injunction to take place if a lawsuit is brought against the county..... Just thinking out loud....... Any opinions....
Moe March 07, 2012 at 03:20 AM
There is one SUV per precinct, two in precincts within flood zones so there's not a lot that can be saved there. And bestoftwo, there is already GPS in the patrol cars. It is the job of the supervisor to check it and like I said in one of my other posts supervision is one thing that is seriously lacking within the department.
Moe March 07, 2012 at 03:37 AM
A lawsuit would just cost the taxpayers more money. I don't like it but it's been voted on so let's move forward on it and get it done.
bestoftwo March 07, 2012 at 02:40 PM
The bamboozle is that precincts are important. Honestly, in five decades on this good earth have been to precinct once. How many times of any of us actually been in a police precinct?
Michael Collins March 07, 2012 at 11:54 PM
There is a mean spirit in the air these days. you know who you are. keep following the Nazis on fox news and let them tell you how to think
Mr White March 08, 2012 at 04:28 AM
Then whose going to run Safety Town??
bob young March 08, 2012 at 04:43 AM
I fully support ed mangano. now we need some representation in DC. this nit wit gary ackerman must go. I never met him but his positions are diametrically opposed to logical thinking. I did meet gregory meeks, the congressman from the 5th NY district on a flight to Dc 2.5 yrs ago. This was at the height of the debate over the dodd frank bill to impose another layer of regulation on the banks. what struck me was the fact that meeks had sat on the house banking/finance committee for a decade and had no idea how banks were currently regulated. I mentioned Basel regulations and he was clueless. yet here was a guy instrumental in how banks (and the broader markets) were going to be additionally regulated, yet had no idea what was currently being done. but dont worry, the 22 yr old interns im sure were giving him excellent advice, just as they do the senile gary ackerman
bob young March 08, 2012 at 04:45 AM
i think we need one tank well equiped. and then we can eliminate the patrol cars
bob young March 08, 2012 at 04:47 AM
no there is not. this is a stupid idea. what are you suing for and who are you suing? and who will benefit? oh right.. some nit wit attorney. the tax payer gets screwed either way, the plaintiffs attorney gets a house in the hamptons. what a non-sensical idea
Nassau Taxpayer March 08, 2012 at 02:28 PM
Yo, bobby, be sure to toss a few bucks Limbaugh's way -- he's recently needy.
Moe March 09, 2012 at 06:30 AM
James, there are a lot of contributing factors to overtime, staffing is but one and you are correct, this plan should not affect staffing overtime. Overtime however will rise in areas such as prisoner processing, transporting and end of tour overtime. An officer getting a call in Great Neck can get back to Manhasset in 5 minutes, that same officer can now get a call on Hempstead Tpke at the end of the tour and he will be paid overtime just to drive back to his relieving point. There is currently barely enough room in the precincts to do the necessary paperwork it takes to process an arrest. Officers will be sitting around with their prisoners waiting for a computer to open up. In addition, the time officer in each precinct is currently responsible to monitor the overtime for about 200 + officers. You will now be giving that same person 200+ more officers to watch over. That is where you will see the biggest increase in overtime. Unlike in an office setting where there is probably only one way to get overtime, there are too many factors that cause overtime in the police department and they all have to be monitored, arrests, calls for service, court, training, etc... One person cannot do that job. They will realize that eventually and then without telling the public they will just bring the officers back in off the street to do the jobs they were doing before. So Gabe is correct when he says there will be an increase in overtime, it's unavoidable.
Moe March 09, 2012 at 06:44 AM
Bestoftwo, that's a pretty narcissistic point of view about the precincts not being necessary. If you have never needed the jaws of life to pry you from the wreckage of a car then we should also eliminate the Emergency Services Unit? You have never drowned, so let's get rid of the Marine Bureau as well? Your child has never been lost? Well then let's get rid of the Canine Unit. And since the precincts are so useless then let's just get rid of all of them, if you don't need them then no one does right? You will of course allow them to use your living room to process prisoners and hold juvies while they wait for mommy to come get them. They also need your kitchen to investigate cases and could you please clean out your garage so that they can invoice property and store records, etc... Also, if you could provide us with your phone number they can link all incoming calls from the station house to your home. Thanks, you have just saved us taxpayers a TON of money!
Helen March 10, 2012 at 12:17 AM
Okay, this whole thread has gone way off track and into fantasy land. Let's keep the sanity and lose the ridiculous. The vote is over. Now, we must wait and see what, if anything, will happen on many levels... This whole vote to close the precincts has brought out the best of ideas and the worst in others. NCPD is a sore subject. We have our supporters and we have our haters. So be it, we agree to disagree. The whole point of having a police force is for the prevention of crime and to help the public in need. Whatever the current stature of the department is, it is. As for what future contracts hold, who knows? We all put our 2 cents in. We all have ideas on what we believe will work and not. Can we move on now? What's the next popular thread going to be? School taxes and teacher salaries? That's in the not too distant future. We are all here on the same island. Who stays and who goes - who knows? Life isn't always what we thought it would be. Deal with it, or figure out a way to change it.
paul March 23, 2012 at 02:37 AM
The below is a repost to the Merrick Patch. Not sure why but it was removed for an unknown reason. What is your opinion, we want to know.. "I am not an attorney, but is there the possibility of a lawsuit as to whether or not the public was bamboozled. And whether or not the vote was proper..... I think it may be possible for an injunction to take place if a lawsuit is brought against the county..... Just thinking out loud....... Any opinions...."
john k April 10, 2012 at 02:21 PM
i agree lorenzo. how does a jail cook become sheriff? patronage!


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