Nassau Slashes Another $65M from 2012 Budget

Proposal includes cutting 1,000 jobs and consolidating two police precincts.

Hundreds of layoffs, closed museums and a reduced police force are all possibilities under the latest 2012 budget being proposed by Nassau Executive Ed Mangano.

Speaking at a press conference at the county legislative building in Mineola Wednesday, Mangano outlined $65 million in additional cuts for the $2.63 billion 2012 budget he will submit Thursday in order to stave off a projected $310 million deficit, which he says is the result of the “broken” property assessment system and “unaffordable” labor contracts. The county executive has not been willing to raise taxes in order to close the gap, which he said would be the equivalent of a 39 percent increase.

“If my proposals are contested, savings fought, I will have no choice but to lay off hundreds of additional workers and implement furloughs, which will affect services,” Mangano said. “The budget is not a scare tactic, it’s reality.”

The steep cuts in the 2012 budget include a total elimination of 1,010 positions, up from about 300 already laid off this year. Grant Thornton, the outside consulting firm hired by the control board overseeing the county’s finances, had recommended eliminating close to 1,600 jobs, closing departments and outsourcing other functions. Mangano did not say from what departments positions would be cut, only that a report would be made available next month.

NIFA has made it a point to seek contingencies in the county’s budget, which Mangano said are moving the sewer system into a public-private partnership and asking the state legislature to allow for a margin of error when assessing property such as exists in Connecticut and New Jersey.

“These are tough times with tough solutions. They have pain; that pain is shared among all those who deliver services,” he said, noting that county elected officials also cut their budgets to varying extents.

Among the shared pain is a new requirement for all employees to contribute 25 percent toward their health care costs in line with state employees, cutting educational pay for workers, shuttering a number of museums which are losing money – with Garvies Point and Tackapausha being mentioned as possibilities – and consolidating two police precincts, reducing the overall number from eight to six.

The county is also proposing the elimination of police “minimum manning” requirements, which Mangano says forces the county to call in additional officers on overtime when regular on-duty officers are available and require those who currently get certain days off to work more on regular-pay hours instead of overtime.

The PBA currently has about 1,700 members in its union and the police force has shrunk by about 350 officers in the last three years.

“You are seeing a destruction of the police department at the hands of this administration,” Nassau County Police Benevolent Association President James Carver said. “These cuts are draconian... he’s only scaring the public with these actions.”

The county executive denied the charge, saying that residents would only see a difference in the physical location of the precincts but “will still see the same amount of police in their neighborhood.”

Merrick7 October 20, 2011 at 09:19 PM
also that article is from the associated press, i am going to say the oldest and most respected news org in the country knows whether to use median or mean. Also median is only used for skewed range of property taxes. The property taxes are not skewed.
Merrick7 October 20, 2011 at 09:28 PM
http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/documents/2012ProposedBudget.pdf Page 3 of the budget Major Funds Salaries: 747,752,961 Fringe benefits: 412,214,699 Workers Comp: 30,399,332 Also as you go page by page and it breaks down each department by page breaking down the funds for each department with salaries and workers comp and fringe benefits at the top of each page's budget. you can take out a calculator and add it all up. over 1.1 billion is for union compensation and 152 million for Mangano patronage jobs
Merrick7 October 20, 2011 at 09:43 PM
if the county budget is not good for you the grant thorton report commissioned by NIFA states, "average Public Safety employee is contractually entitled to 61 days of annual paid leave and that the average CSEA employee is contractually entitled to 44 days of annual paid leave. In addition, Nassau County union employees do not make any contributions to offset the skyrocketing costs of health insurance." It references none of this is comparable to any private or public market.
Jon L. October 20, 2011 at 10:03 PM
You are AWESOME Merrick! Thanks for the research! The same would hold true for other high value residences and blowing the average out of proportion. While there are few properties in Nassau County with very low taxes there are many like those on one spot that I sampled on Duck Pond Road in Locust Valley that are over 20K hence the difference between average and median. Thank you for pointing out my arrogance you are a little late to that party. Tideline and Eddie have that ground well covered. I am arrogant and I don't have a problem with that, I answer to the constituency of one, namely me. I am not a professional politician or one of the appointed spin doctors for the current or aspiring administration. So in addition to being Liberal, Socialist, Capitalist, who many people want to ban (according to other posters) and some one who adds little value I can not add arrogant to my list. Thanks!
Merrick7 October 20, 2011 at 10:09 PM
yes and we can offset that high concentration of 20,000 dollar property taxes in lightly populated locust valley duck pond road with the much higher concentration of less than 2000 dollar payments in uniondale. Anything else?
Jon L. October 20, 2011 at 10:10 PM
Grant Thornton Commissioned report by Private Sector people who were not elected to any of their posts. Talk about taxation without representation. Ron Stack is a tool who has made wealthy people wealthier on the back of public money. And I'm the one who like to hand out welfare? (sorry off topic but that makes me nuts)
Merrick7 October 20, 2011 at 10:12 PM
ok that we can agree on Jon L. I think this whole appointed board, especially Stack is horrific example of corruption.
Jon L. October 20, 2011 at 10:23 PM
Take a look at Centennial Ave in Roosevelt. Probably one of the worst blocks in Nassau County. Over run with degenerates and crime in the neighborhood and the average taxes are $6K Another bad address: Broadway in New Cassel $7K (mostly 2 family) Newport Road, Uniondale $7K I just don't think that there is as much low end stuff to balance it out. And those folks down at NIFA are more crooked than a question mark.
Mac October 21, 2011 at 02:26 AM
Lorraine my choice is has very little to do withthe current situation. It is very easy to look in and decide what is best for others. Sharing the pain is not universal because sharing the wealth isnt. Public and private are like comparing apples and oranges. You said it life isnt fair but yet you want the union people to give in. The world of a union or public employee is different. Of course any member who was let go wouldve done more to hold onto their jobs. It is not the unions alone but the people who negotiated with the unions in the first place. Had the unions not been given such great benefits this wouldnt be an issue. Remember unions arent handed blank checks. The system is inherently flawed.
Lorraine DeVita October 21, 2011 at 12:55 PM
It is ironic,you have politicians who are supported by the unions thru lobbying efforts (a multi gazzillion dollar enterprise) to attain their political positions are now forced to realized ooops perhaps we gave away too much. Then you have the Union leaderships who made the sizeable donations fighting tooth and nail to RETAIN the largess bestowed upon them by the political parties their $$'s supported. Stuck in the middle is the union member and the tax payer. However EVERY union member shared the wealth that was bestowed upon them. Now when it comes down to jobs versus concessions the union leaders and their senior members refusal to bite the bullet in order to insure ALL dues paying members not just their most SENIOR members retain emplyment is telling they would rather throw their own members under the bus. Mangano just announced he will initiate a schedule where people will be terminated on specific dates. Both taxpayers & union members are tired of the posturing, the political bravado and the unions unwavering hard line stance.. In the meantime many more union members will be on the unemplyment line. Is that what anyone wants? And yes the system is flawed, the people negotiating on both sides are showboating and grandstanding. for their own gain. However if the union members themselves Vote to refuse concessions then they deserve what ever comes down the road. They did share the wealth! Paying More for benefits is not as dibilitating as losing your job!
James M. October 21, 2011 at 01:40 PM
The union way or nothing - that's the Union stance. Well Union good luck with those layoffs. Will you be raising union dues to pay for the loss of dues revenue? Will you strike and prove the tax payers right and just hurt your union members?
Mac October 21, 2011 at 02:20 PM
Lorrain this is why the unions need to negotiate with third party representatives of the county. The politicians are too closely tied to the unions for re-election. You are correct because the general membership of a union is stuck in the middle. Of course they share in the bargaining results but they have no choice. I am not sure but I dont even think they have a choice to join the union in many instances. This is a difficult time for unons also because more likely than not Mangano will not be here for another term so he can cut deep with no reprisal. Does the general membership even get to vote on cencessions or is that decided by the leaders? You talk about sharing the wealth but the private sector did not share the wealth and the wealthiest still do not. It was just reported that the gap between the wealthy and middle class has steadily grown to an all time high. J MArshall most public employees cannot strike or if they do get fined heavily. I believe that was the tradeoff for the longevity increases to allow for bargaining when a contract expires.
Paulie B October 21, 2011 at 04:45 PM
Even the rhymes that they give me in times of confession ain't true Outcome is obvious all for them none for us meaning you too. The things they will do and the things they will say When they don't really understand. Fear of rejection I need their protection I'm making a stand. And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve.
Catherine Mary October 21, 2011 at 05:12 PM
http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agencies/countyexecutive/newsrelease/2010/1-26-2011a.htm Boy, his gratitude was short lived, and his memory even more so...
Merrick7 October 21, 2011 at 05:25 PM
Cathy I agree and disagree. He consistently has taken the savings out of the CSEA. Unfortunately there is not much savings there to begin with. The savings are in the PBA and SOA. He has been making the fight recently about the police who have an average salary over 140,000 in total compensation. Why is it the top 300 paid employees in Nassau are the police and the top 225 are paid more than the governor of NY, more than marines and state troopers? A suburban cop deserves better pay than a US marine? Then the Governor. Some even are paid better than the POTUS? This is fair? This is Just? This is middle class?
Merrick7 October 21, 2011 at 05:45 PM
SInce you are using a link I will use a newsday link of public record of police salaries. The top 100 paid police officers make over 400 thousand dollars in total compensation http://longisland.newsday.com/templates/simpleDB/?pid=173&currentRecord=1
Bill Sweeney October 21, 2011 at 06:02 PM
And budgets pass b/c of the insane union laws...if they fail the contingency budgets lead to mandatory increases AND cuts to programs, etc. Not to salaries or benefits of course. John Q Union
Catherine Mary October 21, 2011 at 06:45 PM
If you are only looking to go after the Cops, then say so, and stop saying "Unions".
Robert Demarco October 21, 2011 at 07:04 PM
I would tend to agree that the CSEA is not as big a culprit as the police unions, and if we are talking schools, certainly the teachers' unions. The CSEA employees make nowhere near what the others make.
Merrick7 October 25, 2011 at 11:35 PM
Cathy the reason I reference unions is because unfortunately Jerry Laricchiuta of the CSEA consistently aligns himself with Carver of the PBA. Yet the only union who hammers out concessions is the CSEA. Contact your union complain to him not us.
Joseph October 26, 2011 at 04:22 PM
Originally published: October 25, 2011 10:15 PM Updated: October 25, 2011 10:16 PM By PAUL LAROCCO paul.larocco@newsday.com Nassau police bill villages for help A village's tab for patrol help is calculated using the responding county officers' salaries and benefits, plus those of support staff such as dispatchers and clerks, divided by the time expended. Krumpter said a village could pay roughly $200 for a one-hour call. $200 per hour is the all in cost for police time. How can anyone say that this cost is NOT excessive. This is not affordable
Mac October 26, 2011 at 04:36 PM
Joseph just so I am clear it is roughly 200.00 an hour and this includes the officers' salary/benefits AND support staff salary/benefits then the cost of gas, use of the car and any other resource the NCPD provides on a normal call. I think this is a poor example and not excessive. This is not the problem. It is the days off, not paying into certain benefits then retiring at such a young age and collecting pension based on your last 3 years including overtime then being able to cash in on your unused sick days. We pay 200 an hour to retirees!
Robert Demarco October 26, 2011 at 04:44 PM
You got it, Mac. Its bad enough how much we pay for overtime, but its worse how much we pay, and for how long, to the one finished working. I do not begrudge anyone a reasonable retirement, but this is ridiculous. And again, I do not blame the cops so much, because most of them never worked anywhere but in this system and think this is normal. I blame the politicians who agree to these outlandish contracts, to curry favor and votes from the policemen and their families. The CSEA may not have much to give back, but the police unions certainly do.
Jerry October 26, 2011 at 06:03 PM
Does anyone know how many of these are retired NCPD? The top one gets 176,000 per year for life and pays 0 for health insurance. There are almost 500 Nassau County retirees making over $100,000 per year!!! My bet is they are cops and not CSEA people. Here are the numbers-- http://longisland.newsday.com/templates/simpleDB/?pid=163&brand=newsday&fieldSelect-employer=Nassau%2BCounty&fieldSelect-retirement_date=&searchField=last_name&q=
Diane Stephan October 26, 2011 at 06:36 PM
Funny how you complain about those who served the community and put their lives on the line and worked hard to collect their pensions, but don't mention the miscreants and illegals collecting checks for doing nothing and are sucking the life out of the counties resources. Let's get some perspective.
Jerry October 26, 2011 at 06:59 PM
The NCPD is gettting paid very well, even while they are working. That is how it should be. They perform a valuable service and are getting a good paycheck. i do not begrudge them that. But their $500,000 buyouts for accumulated days and these outrageous pensions are certainly not seen by the taxpayers in private industry. They are unsustainable.
Robert Demarco October 26, 2011 at 07:01 PM
Did you know that the retired cops who are medicare beneficiaries are reimbursed by the County (taxpayers) for their Part B premuims. So people with these huge pensions are even reimbursed for the $135 or so per month for their Medicare. No wonder the County is broke. Once again, the spineless politicians are at fault for giving in to this exportion in exchange for votes.
Robert Demarco October 26, 2011 at 07:04 PM
The city cops generally have it much worse, but thet do not get anywhere near what the Nassau cops get. I know its been a tough year with the two officers killed in the line of duty, but compared to what the city cops handle, they are overpaid.
Jerry October 26, 2011 at 07:26 PM
Yes it has been a tragic year for the NCPD. But did you know that since 1980, there have been 3 NCPD members that have died in the line of duty, 2 of those were year. Even that number is too many but I bet there have been a lot more NYPD members that have lost their lives since 1980. And they make a lot less money and their pensions are certainly a lot less.
Nassau Taxpayer October 26, 2011 at 09:36 PM
Very true. Risk-adjusted NCPD compensation is out of the park, high. Now we have this, courtesy of Fios1: "Nassau County police departments are now telling smaller departments that if they want help, that it will cost them. Starting June 1st, any village police agency in need of Nassau County police officers will be charged for the extra manpower. Over the years, county police have provided smaller agencies with detectives, emergency crews and patrol officers. Nassau PBA president James Carver said Wednesday that the measure is long overdue." The response to which should be Sayonara! NCPD is no longer wanted or needed.


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